patrick 1working4christ2 almost a moron What would you like to ask a Catholic?
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Let’s take the denominations of the reformation out of the mix. How did you determine your church is the one true church and not the Orthodox Church, or the Oriental Orthodox, without using your own private interpretation? Can not these churches claim at least as old as the RC, and have a decent argument for it?  |
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I noticed you are in Metro NY. Are you LCMS or ELCA? |
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Thanks for asking; [1] t is indisputable fact that Peter,was freely chosen by Christ to head His One true God; One true faith and in only One church; which follows OT tradition of One God; Faith and People. Go back to my previous post and READ carefully the bible reference I gave. [2] Todays Catholic [RCC] Church was the ONLY recognized form of Christianity to exist ANYWHERE in the world until the Great Eastern Schism. a Period of about ONE THOUSAND YEARS [3] Even the Early Church Fathers agreed with this: The Early Church Fathers on Clement of Rome Ignatius of Antioch Irenaeus Clement of Alexandria Tertullian Letter of Clement to James Cyprian The Lord says to Peter: “I say to you,” he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church” . . . On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church? (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4 [A.D. 251]). God Bless you, and Thanks for asking, __________________
Irish2: PJM  
http://working4christtwo.wordpress.com A.B. Fulton Sheen: “The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it.” |
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Metro New York Synod/ ELCA. Have good friends in Brooklyn! __________________
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That really depends on your own personal outlook right? The EO claim to the hold to the faith of Peter. Again, all about personal interpretation. They claim that Orthodoxy was the ONLY recognized form of Christianity until the RC broke it off. Quote:
No. That’s all on personal interpretation as well. For example usually when the fathers say Peter, some interpret them to be meaning modern Roman Catholic Church. Antioch was also the see of Peter. The Orthodox believe that they are holding to the faith of Peter in which all bishops share the ministry of Peter, Peter being the princeps of the apostles such as each bishop is the princeps of his territory, again personal interpretation. I just don’t see any way to get around it. That’s why I think Catholic apologists should stop using the “personal interpretation” argument against Protestants. |
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Catholic answers forum and the rest of Christ’s church I have been a Christian most of my life but depended on my “smart” reading of the bible and superior intellect to gaurantee I knew everything. Of course I had no Holy Spirit power evident in my life such as tongues, prophecy, miracles, even victory over my vices and flesh nature. I was sure that Christians who spoke in tongues were possessed or so spiritually retarded that they were just making the sounds to try and pretend to be like Jesus’ disciples. Everyone who I met who spoke in tongues was definitely not smarter than me. And they read some scriptures weird. Plus I got the highest score in my college phsyics class and am a commercial pilot and computer programmer to boot! How could babbling buffons know more about the bible than me?!!! After about 10 years of this though — my leaven wore thin and I got sick of “knowing” so much about the bible but living in defeat to my flesh and fasted for 3 days to see if God would make me like the apostles (or at least not like the Pharisees which is what I felt like) then it happened. After 1 1/2 days of fasting I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and started speaking in tongues and my whole life changed. Then my wife followed suit 3 months later. Our life hasn’t been the same since.. this book describes everything EXACTLY as it is with tongues and the baptism and explains the different types of tongues that can manifest for different reasons. I sympathize with Christians who think tongues is optional and not for all and maybe they’re right. But I also know from experience that Christians who do speak in tongues are usually on fire for God (even if they are a little wacky sometimes). If I could have read this book 10 years ago I’m sure it would have knocked the spiritual smugness right out of me and got me depending on the Holy Spirit through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit instead of my flesh. In Summary — if you are living in defeat to the flesh and struggling with addictions to food, drugs, porn, whatever — don’t go to more church meetings, or buy expensive courses, or go see famous preachers — read this book and see what happens when you make drawing near to God your goal come hell or highwater. |
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Friend, I’m BIG on truth, and what you share isn’t it. Please read this from a VERY non-catholic site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your final comment about the Protestants. Please give me a bit more information. And please understand that what I shared is the position of the RCC and Christ Himself; not only my opinion. God Bless you, God Bless you, __________________
Irish2: PJM
http://working4christtwo.wordpress.com A.B. Fulton Sheen: “The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it.” |
If they held to “Peter” their WOULD HAVE BEEN NO SCHISM|
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No, they see the Roman Church as the ones who are not following the faith of Peter. Remember that one See of Peter (Antioch) went with Constantinople in the Schism. So we have one faith of Peter, and another faith of Peter. All depends on ones own personal interpretation right? Quote:
I was listening to Catholic radio and Marcus Grodi said that the main problem with Protestantism is “personal interpretation”. I immediately thought how hypocritical that statement was. I cannot think of a way around it, all use their personal interpretation at least to a degree. |
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There are a fair amount of Lutherans in my area of Brooklyn. |
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Actually you can watch mass on You-tube easy. But the daily mass has some latin in it and most churches are in english now. Mostly the basic mass is the same. Also alot of the ewtn shows are also on you-tube, Try marcus grode coming home, he discusses a lot of differences. __________________
Barbara I can do all things in Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13
Through Him With Him and In Him
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Re: What would you like to ask a Catholic? I will assume that you are A Catholic who has taken on a role of pedagogy for some reason or other, as distinct from being the Church itself, and thus answer in your own capacity and according to your inculcation/indoctrination however well and for whatever reason you feel you might represent the Church. But you asked, so I am very curious as to why a body of Roman Catholics alleged to have as their goal the protection of the Pope and the faith could in any conscionable way be named, or continue to be named, after Christopher Columbus???
I was on the verge of joining this group and was actually in the ceremony when, after being assured I could ask questions, my inquiries were avoided, diverted, dismissed, and at last ignored. this after having heard the oath, which might to some degree explain what to me appears on the face as a horribly unfortunate anomaly. So I removed the robe and left the room. I’m glad, as years later I discovered historic information about CC that kind of blew me out of the water. Publicly this would apply to why we have a National holiday named after this creep. But pertinent to this venue, I’m actually dumbfounded that there has not been a major public retraction of their name, and huge apology on the part of the KC for ever being associated from such a bastardly scoundrel as their current namesake. As you must by now surely know, Columbus was a robber who is directly responsible for the genocide of about 1,000,000 natives. While he was doing that he conducted sex trafficking of Indians, including children as young as 9 years old. He forced slave labor and any who did not comply had noses or ears cut off. He worked them to death through exhaustion and hunger. He cut of the hands of an entire tribe and left them. He roasted them alive. He hunted them with dogs and let the dogs eat them. He also fed some of their infants to his dogs. All this after writing to Queen Isabelle that they were more exemplary as Christians than Christians. But they weren’t, so that excused his actions in his mind, so it seems. His actions were so horrible that one of his associates became a priest and spent his life fighting the aftermath of Columbus arrival. And indeed, he was finally deported in shame by his own associates as being too horrific an influence even for them. So that is the guy who is the namesake of a organization that protects the Pope. Is that not a wonderful reflection on His Holiness? And yet, the name persists. Why? |
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Me too. It is a simple question, and it’s been a week. Still waiting for some response as how you, as a Catholic, feel about this particular anomaly: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost….7&postcount=86 |
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Dear friend, It would seem you have been influenced by propeganda designed to at the least; confuse you and the FACTS: The Early Church Fathers on Clement of Rome Ignatius of Antioch Irenaeus Clement of Alexandria Tertullian Letter of Clement to James The Lord says to Peter: “I say to you,” he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church” . . . On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church? (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4 [A.D. 251]). Cyril of Jerusalem Ambrose of Milan Augustine Who is ignorant that the first of the apostles is the most blessed Peter? (Commentary on John 56:1 [A.D. 416]). God Bless you, __________________
Irish2: PJM
http://working4christtwo.wordpress.com A.B. Fulton Sheen: “The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it.” |
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My dear friend in Christ, At the young age of 69 and having been very active in the Catholic Church as a teacher at many levels, and many years, trained and certified as a Marian Catechist [a Lay Apostolate approved by Rome to teach and defend our Catholic Faith], I have on multiple occasions encountered post and accusations, similar in effect to what you shared. I have found it prudent and charitable not to respond to unfounded and unproven charges. Most especially when I don’t know anything about the person leveling the charges. But you insisted on a reply, so I feel obligated as the OP of the string to do so. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04140a.htm The above site gives an in-depth and not entirely favorable history of Columbus. Please take the time to read it. But it does not support the atrocities you shared. Nor has any of my prior study of the man, supported your positions. He certainly was far from perfect. In this day and age, of easy access to Mass-Secular-Media, driven by their own anti-God agendas, where The Catholic Church [and rightly so] remains the “Bulls-Eye” target of ALL other faiths, most especially the thousands of Christian sects and denominations who MUST vilify Catholicism in order to explain and at least try to justify their own man- made-faiths and church continue to search for straws that give them a competitive edge over ALL of the other competing Christian faiths, who in-mass, consciously or not, do oppose God’s very clear will, as expressed in the bible. So misrepetitions are found more common place than the singular truth. It seems to ME [personally] that in order for your post to be true that either the bible is wrong or Christ misspoke. John 17:13-22 “And now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy filled in themselves. I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. [God cannot deny Himself] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [this means exactly what it says with God’s own Powers and Authority] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [NO OTHER FAITH OR CHURCH OTHER THAN THE CC CAN MAKE AND SUPPORT THE CLAIM THAT Jesus Himself is the warranty of it being impossible for Her to teach on Faith or Morals in error] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, as we also are one Mt. 28 “18-20 “And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have taught you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” Mt. 16:17-19 “And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and [YOU]upon this rock I will build my church,[SINGULAR] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the [ALL OF] keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.” Thanks for you’re post. __________________
Irish2: PJM
http://working4christtwo.wordpress.com A.B. Fulton Sheen: “The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even if everybody believes it.” |
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almostamoron1working4christ2 